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  • Marni replied to a discussion, Are free websites really free?

    It's difficult on both sides of the fence.

    Can't say I have much sympathy for the larger corporations earning $$$ off of others aspirations, and then limiting those same people to a mere pittance of trickling income. What angers me most is the false promises (marketing hyperbole) built to lure those with limited cash-flow to get their stuff out there with everyone else. Have a beautiful site! It's easy! But wait, you can't sell your stuff... you can't get rid of our stuff... etc. I know free is not free, but I'm am still not aware of how bad or good these services may be for authors.

    But there is always a flip side. Not only does this hurt the author/professional just starting out, but it hurts designer/developers too. Questions are thrown out; Why would I pay you that much, when I can go get one for free? How hard can it possibly be? My cousin's, second wife's, nephew says he can do it in a weekend! The author doesn't get what he wanted or needed, simply what he paid for. The developer/designer then has to keep going after bigger fish in order to eat more than hot dogs and packaged noodles for the month.

    So how do you balance it out? How does everyone make a living doing what they love? 

    You let go of the bottom-line temporarily. You ask yourself, how can I help while struggling myself? We all want to earn a living doing what we love. So do what you love. Help others by doing what you love. The key here, for me, is not in selling promises and products full of hope, but by making everything accessible. As I grow, my clients grow. As I provide better products and services that help others, others in turn will help me. 

    This may be by recommending my services to others who have a larger budget. Maybe after they are up and running they use my more advanced products to keep growing or maybe a friend of a friend buys my products for another starving artist and helps them get there stuff out there.

    I help. I pay it forward. I participate and I listen.

    What do you need?

    It's that simple for me.

    ~MD

     

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  • Chris comment on a reply for Are free websites really free?
    It's not nice at all. That is why this site was created, and I was more than willing to jump on board and start testing it out when I was asked if I would be interested. The funny thing about the internet (to me at least) is that it seems to be coming full circle, and back to websites with... It's not nice at all. That is why this site was created, and I was more than willing to jump on board and start testing it out when I was asked if I would be interested. The funny thing about the internet (to me at least) is that it seems to be coming full circle, and back to websites with forums like it first was back in 97. In my personal opinion Facebook, and all those that came running along right after it, ruined a lot of really awesome sites. I watched as each one I was a member on vanished overnight, it was very disheartening. Searching through FB was pointless after awhile as the groups were usually not focused on the subject at hand, and became political/religious or just a sad fight of who is the better troll. I wrote this post after seeing several friends use a "free" website creator, and decided to check it out for myself. Free... while yes free, was utter rubbish in my honest opinion, and if you wanted/needed help there was a fee/monthly charge. Within 2 months they stopped promoting that site on FB, and then stopped using it all together opting instead to set up a proper site,,or veering over to Wordpress which is good yet still lacks a soul (again just my opinion) I'm hoping this site will flourish and give creatives a soap box to stand on for the main reason that the owner/creator of it, isn't interested in making money off the members, she is interested in helping them make money or gather an audience, even both, off their work, and push all of us hopefuls off the edge and into the deep side of the pool. More
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  •   Chris commented on this post about 2 weeks ago
    As this is a Beta test, and I'm currently alone here, I figured I'd just post something as I just got done doing blurbs for all of my books.

    I hate blurbs... like really bloody hate them, I can write till the cows come home no problem.

    Novel?...
    As this is a Beta test, and I'm currently alone here, I figured I'd just post something as I just got done doing blurbs for all of my books.

    I hate blurbs... like really bloody hate them, I can write till the cows come home no problem.

    Novel? sure why the hell not. Novella? lets give it a bash and see if I can stop babbling more than 30-40K worth of words, yet a friggin blurb or synopsis? christ on a cracker I'm screwed.

    I sit and stare at the blank page forever, it's weird, I have Angels, and Demons battling against each other then against Gods of the 9 levels blah blah blah but a blurb? I'm totally stuck.

    The funny thing way back when in the early 2000's is that I could never write anything more than a few thousand words, so I jumped into prose poetry to get my very short stories out, fast forward to today, and a few thousand words or less is exactly what I need.

    It's funny how we evolve as writers even when we don't realize we are, this world I've created filled with Angels and Demons mixed with humans keeps getting bigger, and I'd like to think better (Don't we all?) came from an attempt at writing erotica... turns out I'm not very good at it, but it did help me create this world... so there's that at least.

    Not overly Angel or Demon related really, but it is about my books related to just that... so that's my connection and it works for me...

    CD
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  • When one has no money, one is forced to use "free" sites. But I agree it's lousy creating the content while someone else makes all the money. Especially if they're advertising things you do not endorse or approve of at all. I'm all for people keeping the lights on, as it were, but the content creators need to be able to do that, too.

    But even worse is when they're not only making money off of other people's work, but then they forbid the person even to advertise/link to their own products being sold, even if the products are relevant (eg., an author trying to advertise their own writing on a site for writers, even if they are active on that site and not just signing up to spam it). So you can be a writer who is perhaps just starting out, but maybe published a novel in e-book format, or have an account somewhere where you sell your content some other way... but the site you are building a fan base on won't let you advertise your own book or works so people who have come to like the work you show them on that site, can support you. Because that would be "advertising," or "spam." So all you can do, ultimately, is give your work away for free, for the site owner's benefit.

    How nice is that?

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  •   Elephant Shrew commented on this post about 2 weeks ago
    We are almost there! The site is up and 'mostly' running. A few kinks left to work out before we start heading out to seek other writers wanting a fun, community driven place to hang out in the wee hours! ‏ — feeling happy
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    • Right. Still just says "Add to favourites" and "hide" under my own post, for now.

      I guess this makes me a beta tester.

      But I know how it is... tRight. Still just says "Add to favourites" and "hide" under my own post, for now.

      I guess this makes me a beta tester.

      But I know how it is... trying to get something to work, but not knowing whether it actually works for anyone else.
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    • We are all Beta testers down here lol
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    • Okay, made a random test blog post to see how things work in that regard. Good news is I was able to edit it. Bad news is that if more than a few dozeOkay, made a random test blog post to see how things work in that regard. Good news is I was able to edit it. Bad news is that if more than a few dozen people join the site, you guys having to review and approve every single blog post, and every single edit of every blog post, will probably constitute a full time job for multiple people on your end. While the delays simultaneously drive all the site users crazy. (Ditto if that's the case for articles, etc.)   More ...
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      :-)
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  • Running some tests on the ability to edit my own status.
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  •   Chris reacted to this post about 2 weeks ago
    -checks site again-

    0,0 It's alive!

    -dances-

    ‏ — feeling happy
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  •   Marni reacted to this post about 2 weeks ago
    Chris updated the picture of the group Angels and Demons
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  •   Web Cafe Club commented on this post about 2 weeks ago
    New page has been created, Web Cafe Club

    Web Cafe Club

    The Web Cafe Club is a free training site for authors and artists to learn how to:

    • Create Book Covers
    • Format Books
    • Create Author Platforms
    • Learn Wordpress
    • Learn Joomla
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